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#1 31-03-2008 08:01:31

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GeForce 9800GT same as 8800GT except with Tri-SLI, apparently...

Ugh, TweakTown

TweakTown - NVIDIA 9 Series Naming Inappropriate wrote:

NVIDIA choosing to move their latest line-up of cards to a whole new next generation naming scheme would have to be one of the worst things we’ve seen from a company in recent years. Having now looked at the 9600GT, 9800GTX and 9800GX2 we have a fairly good idea of what exactly we’re dealing with, and an e-mail we received the other day really sealed the deal.

Doing the sample hunt down, we asked a company about the upcoming 9800GT, just one of the many more 9000 series graphics cards coming out. The response we were given from them was this:-

As far as I know, the 8800GT will be renamed to 9800GT; no change to the specs.

As far as we can tell, the only difference the 9800GT is going to bring over the 8800GT is support for Tri SLI, and if our testing the other day is anything to go by then it’s not going to be all that exciting. Not only will we probably see small gains when adding a third card, but any real value goes straight out the window. The multi-card technology is really best reserved for the high-end cards when every bit of performance is not only required, but wanted.

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Anyone who has really been keeping up with the latest models will tell you the same thing. NVIDIA should have chosen to move from the 8800 series of cards to the 8900 series to avoid any confusion in people thinking that this was going to be the next big thing for graphics cards.

While we’ve got three models in the 9000 series already out, over the coming months we will see the 9800GT which we just mentioned along with the 9800GTS. Both models are due out sometime in April and we should see the GT before the GTS. You have to wonder what performance will be like though. At the moment the 9600GT sits just below the 8800GT, whilst the 8800GTS sits around the same performance as the 9800GTX. This means that two models due next month are going to offer performance probably in line with the 8800GT and 8800GTS, the only thing they will offer over the current 8800 series of cards is Tri SLI support.

Below these models we of course have the 9600GT which is already out. The next few months will see the release of the 9500GS, 9500GT and 9600GS. No one really knows what performance to expect out of these. If the 9600GT is anything to go by, hopefully we see some decent performance out of the 9600GS and at an excellent price point.

The worst thing about the latest series of cards is that because NVIDIA chose to move to the 9000 naming scheme, people thought that they were going to be getting the jump that a next generation naming scheme normally brings with it. So these people have instead chosen to ignore cards like the 8800GTX and 8800Ultra which came out a year ago whilst waiting for the 9000 series thinking that it was going to be the next big thing since sliced bread. Instead, they’ve been playing on their 7000 or even worse, 6000 series of cards and missed out on an awesome gaming experience for the past 12 months plus.

The consumer has really been misled; forum users all over the world are expressing their disappointment over the new 9000 series of graphics cards. The thing is, the 9000 series of cards are a good product, but it’s not the next generation graphics card that people thought it would be. And with the way information is leaked these days, news about the 9000 cards was pretty much coming out as the 8000 series cards were released.

The worst thing is that people out there are now saying “We’ll just wait for the next generation of card, if we wanted this performance we would have bought an 8800GTX 12 months ago.” The thing is there was nothing stopping these people; sometimes you’ve just got to bite the bullet. Graphics cards have been moving forward so quickly over the past 3 years thanks to the massive competition between ATI/AMD and NVIDIA that you just knew that they couldn’t continue to constantly pop out these massive performance increases with every driver. Really, the only game in the past 12 months that has bought a system to its knees is Crysis, and no one’s interested in making a graphics card for one game.

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While people might feel that it’s not worth buying a 9000 series card because the performance is quite similar to that of the last generation models, we’ve got to say, just stop thinking about it. The 9800GTX in SLI is an absolute menace, so it’s something worth thinking about. Bang for buck? - You really can’t go wrong with the 9600GT and 8800GT.

These new cards didn’t come out with the $1000 price tags that we’ve seen over the last few years from top-end models. Get yourself a 9800GTX, load up your favorite game and just get stuck into playing it and enjoying those silky smooth frame rates on almost anything you fire up.

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#2 31-03-2008 08:46:53

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Re: GeForce 9800GT same as 8800GT except with Tri-SLI, apparently...

Before anyone blames Nvidia for this, let me just point out that this is ATi's fault for providing absolutely no competition to the 9 series. All ATi have come up with is a price cut on their existing cards.


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#3 31-03-2008 08:57:50

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Re: GeForce 9800GT same as 8800GT except with Tri-SLI, apparently...

you say dont blame nvidia for this its true ati are providing no real compertion at the moment but its still dam sneaky to stick 2 8800gt on 1 card and call it a 9800gx2 and then take a normal 8800gt add three way sli and call it a 9800gt tbh it rearly sucks


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#4 31-03-2008 09:23:11

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Re: GeForce 9800GT same as 8800GT except with Tri-SLI, apparently...

This seems like good news overall. ATI should have time to catch up and the battle will start again.


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#5 31-03-2008 09:54:05

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Re: GeForce 9800GT same as 8800GT except with Tri-SLI, apparently...

brem wrote:

you say dont blame nvidia for this its true ati are providing no real compertion at the moment but its still dam sneaky to stick 2 8800gt on 1 card and call it a 9800gx2 and then take a normal 8800gt add three way sli and call it a 9800gt tbh it rearly sucks

9800GX2 is not like have 2 8800GT stuck together.

Here are the 4 differences between 8800GT and one side of the 9800GX2

9800GX2         2000Mhz Mem      64Gb/s bandwidth        128 shaders        64 Texture units
8800GT            1800Mhz Mem     57.6Gb/s bandwidth      112 Shaders       56 Texture units


There is at least 30% increase with 9800GX2 over 8800GT SLI.


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#6 31-03-2008 10:08:21

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Re: GeForce 9800GT same as 8800GT except with Tri-SLI, apparently...

Yeah, the GX2 is more like two GTS512s...


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#7 31-03-2008 10:42:01

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Re: GeForce 9800GT same as 8800GT except with Tri-SLI, apparently...

teh_sutton wrote:

Before anyone blames Nvidia for this, let me just point out that this is ATi's fault for providing absolutely no competition to the 9 series. All ATi have come up with is a price cut on their existing cards.

Lol, there is no nine series, so why should ATI supply more competition to the 8 series than they already have? Second best card, starting at around 270€, I dont see where the problem is. nVidia is just buying time and tricking customers while they devolope the real new generation..


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#8 31-03-2008 11:11:36

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Re: GeForce 9800GT same as 8800GT except with Tri-SLI, apparently...

str1ker wrote:

Yeah, the GX2 is more like two GTS512s...

But when I said that, you all argued with me. *sigh*

The GT200's or whatever they are called are the real high-end cards.

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#9 31-03-2008 11:28:30

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Re: GeForce 9800GT same as 8800GT except with Tri-SLI, apparently...

Pande wrote:

teh_sutton wrote:

Before anyone blames Nvidia for this, let me just point out that this is ATi's fault for providing absolutely no competition to the 9 series. All ATi have come up with is a price cut on their existing cards.

Lol, there is no nine series, so why should ATI supply more competition to the 8 series than they already have? Second best card, starting at around 270€, I dont see where the problem is. nVidia is just buying time and tricking customers while they devolope the real new generation..

How are they tricking customers?

The real advantage to the 9 series is the SLI scaling, which the 8 series can't touch.

Did the 6 and 7 series have such different chips? tongue

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#10 31-03-2008 22:39:49

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Re: GeForce 9800GT same as 8800GT except with Tri-SLI, apparently...

UltimaRage wrote:

The real advantage to the 9 series is the SLI scaling, which the 8 series can't touch.

I know !!! big_smile

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#11 31-03-2008 22:43:16

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Re: GeForce 9800GT same as 8800GT except with Tri-SLI, apparently...

verw3948 wrote:

str1ker wrote:

Yeah, the GX2 is more like two GTS512s...

But when I said that, you all argued with me. *sigh*

The GT200's or whatever they are called are the real high-end cards.

Don't look at me, I've always been one to get the facts straight.


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#12 31-03-2008 23:32:51

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Re: GeForce 9800GT same as 8800GT except with Tri-SLI, apparently...

^ Wasn't pointing a finger at you. You are pretty damn good at giving unbiased information. smile

At this point, if you have a lesser card (GTS640 potentially even the GT's or 7 series) the GX2's might be a good upgrade. Anyone with a GTS G92 or GTX or Ultra should hold on and wait for the next cards.

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#13 01-04-2008 04:51:04

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Re: GeForce 9800GT same as 8800GT except with Tri-SLI, apparently...

UltimaRage wrote:

Pande wrote:

teh_sutton wrote:

Before anyone blames Nvidia for this, let me just point out that this is ATi's fault for providing absolutely no competition to the 9 series. All ATi have come up with is a price cut on their existing cards.

Lol, there is no nine series, so why should ATI supply more competition to the 8 series than they already have? Second best card, starting at around 270€, I dont see where the problem is. nVidia is just buying time and tricking customers while they devolope the real new generation..

How are they tricking customers?

The real advantage to the 9 series is the SLI scaling, which the 8 series can't touch.

Did the 6 and 7 series have such different chips? tongue

Sli scaling is the same for both the 9 series and 8 series because it is all in the drivers. There is also the fact that Nv are admitting that the 9800GT is just a re badged 8800GT , so how would duel card scaling differ with these cards?

You keep going on about the 6 and 7 series being identical and in architectural terms they were. They did however differ in the fact that the 7800GTX had 24 pixel pipelines to the 6800GTX's 16 .  I cannot remember the exact amount of rops tmus ets etc but the 7 series chip was much larger which lead to thermal problems which was why it needed a die shrink for the 7900.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/content/245/

There you go. As you can see there are major differences between the 7800 and 6800 apart from clock speeds. Theses differences are not there between the 8800GTS and 9800GTX because they are the same chip.

Now the G92 chips should have been called 8900 imo but these 9 series cards are still G92 and this naming convention is nothing other than a gimmick to try and get people to upgrade.


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